Experts Speak About "Land for Peace Process"

"There was no advantage to this eviction. None. Zero. Nothing has changed for the better"

Fmr. IDF general: 2005 Gaza Disengagement was a mistake

WIN World Israel News / JNS
June 18, 2017

“There was no advantage to this eviction. None. Zero. Nothing has changed for the better there,” said Naveh, who commanded part of the Disengagement.

Maj. Gen. (ret.) Yair Naveh, who commanded the IDF’s withdrawal from northern Samaria in 2005, declared that Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Israeli communities in northern Samaria in 2005 was a “grave mistake.”

In an interview with the Israel Hayom daily, Naveh, who was GOC Central Command at the time of the Disengagement and later became IDF deputy chief of staff, said that reality has proven the move has failed to give Israel any security or diplomatic advantage.

“There’s no doubt that we weren’t able to create any sort of security advantage, neither in Gaza nor in Samaria,” Naveh said in the interview with Israel Hayom. “If the disengagement from Gaza contributed anything to history, it did so by proving that terrorism has nothing to do with the settlement enterprise, and by proving that an eviction of this nature cannot be carried out in such a way again.”

During the 2005 unilateral disengagement from Gaza, Israel evicted a bloc of 17 communities in the Strip and four communities in northern Samaria. The move, in which 8,600 Israelis lost their homes, remains highly controversial to this day, as it is directly linked to increased Palestinian terrorism and rocket fire emanating from Gaza.

“There was no advantage to this eviction. None. Zero. Nothing has changed for the better there. It had no added value to security or to anything else. It was a frustrating event that left a feeling that it was all for nothing,” Naveh said.

Naveh is now supporting the return to some of the four abandoned communities in Samaria.

A Failed Idea

Israel’s Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman said Thursday he “absolutely agreed” with Naveh’s assessment.

“The Disengagement was a mistake. It was an adventure and a mistake for which we’re still paying a high price,” Liberman said in an interview on the Kol Hai radio station.

“The idea behind the Disengagement, that the Arabs would all of a sudden want peace and would be our subcontractors on security, collapsed,” Liberman explained.

“We wound up with an agreement signed by the European Union, and [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud] Abbas got the Gaza Strip handed to him on a silver platter. Two years later, Hamas seized control [of Gaza], and today we are seeing the results,” meaning a well-armed Hamas-run terror state, which poses a threat to Israel’s existence.

By: and World Israel News Staff

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"IDF's abandonment of Gaza cleared the way for Hamas to take over"

IDF General Dan Harel: "Gaza is like a “mini-Iran.”

Israel National News - Elad Benari
Dec 9, 2010

The 2005 Gaza expulsion left thousands of former Gaza residents without permanent homes and without employment. Some of Israel’s prominent leaders who took an active part in approving and executing the expulsion have since gone on record saying that it was a mistake.

One such leader is President Shimon Peres, who has confessed that the “Disengagement” was a mistake in the way it was executed.

National Infrastructures Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer of Labor has also admitted that the expulsion should not have been carried out at all.

Former IDF Southern Commander Dan Harel, who was in charge of the IDF units that removed some 10,000 Gush Katif Jews from their homes during the expulsion, said last month that Israel “may have made a mistake” in leaving Gaza as it did. Harel said that the IDF's one-sided abandonment of Gaza cleared the way for Hamas to take over the strip and that now, Gaza is like a “mini-Iran.”

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How Fast Can Arabs Send Missiles To Tel Aviv From West Bank?

General Tells Governor Christie: "Missiles From West Bank Are A Concern"

New Jersey Jewish News
April 11, 2012

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said after returning from a trip to Israel, that he better understands Israel’s security concerns after riding in a military helicopter from the West Bank to the Mediterranean.

“It took three minutes, and a general reminded me that missiles fly faster than helicopters,” he said.

The governor addressed a crowded meeting room at the Shimon and Sara Birnbaum JCC in Bridgewater on April 11, three days after returning from the Middle East. The audience included a number of the rabbis and Jewish organizational leaders who accompanied him to Israel, including Mark Levenson, chair of the New Jersey-Israel Commission, Rabbi Yosef Carlebach of Rutgers Chabad, and Josh Pruzansky, New Jersey regional director for public policy at the Orthodox Union.

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Does Disengagement Mean a Future of Terror?

An Assessment with General Amidror and Col. Rinsky

By Sharon Katz Israel - Voices Magazine - Mon Sep 4 2005 (reprinted in: Behind The News)
Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror stated that "the entire Plan is illogical from three aspects." Firstly, it is a tactical error. The major general noted, "It will bring areas, which are now out of the radius of the kassams, into their range. And within weeks or months, if the Hamas and Islamic Jihad decide to plunge katushas or kassams on Ashkelon, for example, they will be able to do so." Even the efficiency of the Gaza fence to stop infiltrations to Israel will be greatly reduced by the pull-out, he explained, because the IDF will not have forces behind the fence that can stop or monitor those approaching the fence. "It will reduce our ability to fight terrorists who are planning to cross the fence." Secondly, the unilateral Disengage-ment is a deterrent for those Arabs who might have wanted to negotiate with the Israelis. Maj.-Gen. Amidror explained, "If the Palestinians can get everything without pay-ing any price...without promising that they won't launch kassams, without promising a crackdown on terrorism, nothing... and the decision of the government of Israel is to give up everything without getting anything, why negotiate." He added, "The Palestinians and the Europeans, and even some Americans, will put pressure on Israel in the future, saying, 'We have learned that you are willing to give up without getting anything.'" Thirdly, and in his eyes, most importantly, "From the Palestinian point of view, the unilateral retreat is the greatest success of the terror organizations." The major general noted that a recent survey shows that 74% of the Palestinian population believes the evacuation "is an achievement of the terror organizations." (Click Here To Read Full Article)

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"Israel has made itself defenseless!"

Acclaimed British Journalist Melanie Phillips Delivers Scathing Indictment Of Israel's Persuing The Peace Process

"Israel has made itself defenseless!" British Journalist Phillips declared Monday on Israeli TV.

"Hasbara is a Joke!" As she described Israel's self destructive strategy of continuing the failed peace process. "True and Lies have been turned on their head." "It was Britain itself that declared that on account of their unique claim to the Land Jews should be allowed to live in Israel and have a state." "The Young in Israel learn that that Israel was basically: "born in sin". Most of the animosity of British Aristocracy is fed by papers like "HaAretz. It is all coming out from Israeli academics." When the commentator protested that we have “Freedom of speech” in Israel, Ms. Phillips remarked: “Freedom of Speech Fine! The problem is that the Government of Israel does not understand that this is the only story being told. But somebody should be putting the truth into the papers! Freedom of speech should be used to let us know what lies are being told." When the commentator told her that everyone advocates “Peace”, “Why even Mr. Netanyahu advocates for the Peace Process!" Melanie had this to say: "Peace would solve the problem in the "Abstract"." A terrible war has been conducted over the two state solution. Who could possibly object to this idylic solution?" On persuing a two state solution she remarked: "This to ignore the reality that this has been on offer since the 1930's. It cannot be the solution! Every time it has been offered there is more war! It was such a good idea, such a good scenario. The reality that the other side does not want it! In everything they do, in every word they say, they show it." Melanie told Channel 1 news that anyone in Britain who stands up for the truth of what is going on in Israel is vilified. “This is the label hung around the neck of those like myself. It is not something that people will willingly embrace.”

The late General Mordechai Gur, as Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces, told Newsweek in May 1978 that as a military man he had no doubt that to defend Israel it was necessary to remain in the high ground of the mountains of Judea and Samaria – from Hebron to Nablus. He also explained that Israel needed to remain in the Jordan Valley.

The late Moshe Dayan, Israel’s former Chief of Staff, Minister of Defense, and Minister of Foreign Affairs, was unequivocal in this regard: “Whatever settlement is reached with the Palestinians and the Jordanians, the key positions that guarantee Israel’s defense must be left to the free and exclusive use of the Israel Defense Forces. Those positions are the Jordan Valley and the mountain spine.”

Shimon Peres told Ma’ariv in June 1976: “One must ensure that Israel will not only have length but width. We must not be tempted by all kinds of advisers and journalists to return to a country whose waist is 14 kilometers wide.”
In the words of the late former IDF General Yitzhak Rabin in his last appearance in the Knesset, one month before his murder: “We will not return to the lines of June 4, 1967 – the security border for defending the State of Israel will be in the Jordan Valley, in the widest sense of that concept.” It was no surprise that this was Rabin’s security legacy, for already in 1980 he determined: “Our evacuation of the West Bank would create the greatest threat we can possibly face.”

Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror: "During a conversation with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, when the Barak government was contemplating a full withdrawal to the 1967 lines (with minor adjustments), I explained that the Israeli government hoped to rely on international guarantees and U.S. backing. Kissinger responded lividly that he tells everyone that Israel needs defensible borders and he adds that Israel must not be pressured to withdraw to the 1967 lines – and then Israel (itself) considers such a withdrawal and relies on guarantees! He explained that South Vietnam had international guarantees from twenty countries. Yet when North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam, no country took Kissinger’s telephone calls. His implication was clear: do not rely on guarantees and risk withdrawing to the 1967 lines.

Given Israel's narrow geographical dimensions, a future attack launched from the 1949 armistice lines against Israel’s nine-mile-wide waist could easily split the country in two!

A future attack launched from the pre-1967 lines against Israel’s nine-mile-wide waist could easily split the country in two.

Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror
Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror discusses his feelings about giving away land for peace from an experienced military point of view.

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